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Tue Jan 24, 2012, 5:00 PM by Heidi:iconheidi:


:bulletblue:  Something for Everyone


The deviantART community is incredibly deep and diverse.  Every day, amazing art is produced that appeals to all tastes.  Our goal in sharing and exposing the deviations in deviantART's Popular section is to showcase this depth and diversity as convincingly and fairly as we can.


:bulletblue:  Fair Exposure


DeviantART's algorithm for Popular browse results is known as Fair Exposure.  The goal is to maximize the display of the most popular deviations in a variety of topics (styles/genres/art forms).  Fair Exposure increases the probability that someone will see something that they personally like in Popular results.  In short, with Fair Exposure, the community is exposed to a varied cross-section of deviantART.  It uses an algorithm that is "fair" in nature -- meaning not biased toward any topic, yet still based on popularity.


:bulletblue:  Why is Fair Exposure needed?


Ranking deviations based on raw popularity alone is something that deviantART hasn't done since 2008.  While using raw numbers has some benefits, it also has many problems.  One major issue is that it inherently favors the already popular -- making that which is popular more likely to be seen, gaining even more popularity.  

Different styles and types of art appeal to different deviants, and those deviants use the Favourites system in different ways.  For example, fan art enthusiasts are more likely to Favourite a deviation based on subject, whereas, fine art photography lovers are more likely to Favourite based on technique.  Thus, comparing the number of Favourites on one type of a deviation to another is like comparing apples to oranges.  

Fair Exposure's task is to strike a balance between showcasing depth (i.e. deviations that are popular with many individual deviants) and breadth (i.e. deviations that are popular with a wide variety of deviantART sub-communities).  We do this with an algorithm, the components of which are adjusted from time to time to produce an inherently fair outcome in terms of art that would be of interest to the broadest spectrum of deviants.


:bulletblue:  Fair Exposure 1.0, 2.0, and 2.1


Version 1.0 of Fair Exposure was launched in February 2008, and the next set of updates (2.0) came in December 2011.  Fair Exposure 1.0's computation became slower and slower with every deviation added to deviantART.  While it executed in a reasonable amount of time in 2008, it was no longer updating fast enough for the front page.  However, Fair Exposure 2.0's computation was structured differently and was faster.

While Fair Exposure 2.0 had been in development for quite a while, some of our more sophisticated ideas weren't able to make it into the initial release.  The changes in Fair Exposure 2.1, made in January 2012, are very minor -- mostly code reorganization, and a few bug fixes that addressed rare edge cases that sometimes influenced front page results.  We know this new version of Fair Exposure is a better representation of the world-class art produced by the deviantART community.    

We have a variety of improvements coming down the pipeline -- in particular, improvements having to do with topic "accuracy" (i.e. becoming better at detecting the topics of a deviation) and "popularity" (i.e. detecting whether a deviation is "popular" amongst a niche group or has broader appeal).    

Fair Exposure 2.1 is not inherently more "random" than Fair Exposure 1.0 was. The most significant determinate of order is still in deviants' submission/viewing/Favouriting patterns in general.  Similarly, all determinations of popularity are made by looking at the data, with no artificial fudge factors biasing towards one topic or away from another.  In particular, it does not replace art from a "popular" deviant (or topic) with art from a randomly-selected "unpopular" deviant.  Fair Exposure 2.1 explicitly attempts to select "popular" deviations that showcase as many "popular" topics as possible, whereas, in Fair Exposure 1.0, there was no explicit goal to showcase a wide variety of topics.   This does mean that if, for example, a deviation that showcases "people" and "photography" is displayed, the next several deviations are unlikely to be other "people" or "photography" deviations, unless they are also extremely popular.


:bulletblue:  Sharing the Love


Changes to Fair Exposure and Popular browse are in the interest of highlighting the best from a wide range of deviants and showcasing an array of styles and genres. Keep in mind that you can always browse by your particular interest using the category tree or join a group that matches your interests. We're a large community, and with Fair Exposure 2.1, we hope to bring more deviants into the spotlight.

~Heidi


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:iconprincessmagical:
PrincessMagical Featured By Owner 1 day ago  Hobbyist Digital Artist
And I see that my artwork is being pushed back past artwork that has no faves. I have paid for years of my premium membership and now my work keeps getting pushed back to the very back. And it's not about mine being #1. It's about being fair and showing the most popular to least popular.
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PrincessMagical Featured By Owner 1 day ago  Hobbyist Digital Artist
It's not fair and not right to change it. I want to see most popular to least popular like I've always been able to do. I'm a premium member but instead of seeing the good quality artwork, I'm seeing all this porno which should NOT be here to begin with. Please change it back to the way it was.
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PrincessMagical Featured By Owner 1 day ago  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Fair exposure isn't accurate for most popular. The system was fine for years.
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George---Kirk Featured By Owner Aug 12, 2015  Hobbyist Photographer
You get no more cash off me then..
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George---Kirk Featured By Owner Aug 12, 2015  Hobbyist Photographer
What a load of bollocks. Honestly this is the last straw .
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:iconvivienne-mercier:
Vivienne-Mercier Featured By Owner Edited Aug 11, 2015  Hobbyist Artisan Crafter
You already have different tabs at the top, one for popular artists and one for new or undiscovered artists. "Popular" MEANS "popular," ones that lots of people like and are familiar with. Newer artists, or less well-known ones, have their own tab, so people can click on that to see artwork they might not otherwise see. No need to mix the two on one page, right?
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Valzed Featured By Owner Aug 6, 2015
No one's art should be buried or pushed aside. Period.
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AnwenAtelier Featured By Owner Edited Aug 4, 2015  Professional Traditional Artist
Well, that answers why the front page had gone so crappy lately.

I use the POPULAR page to see POPULAR WORK, not UNDISCOVERED popular work, I thought that's what you introduced the "Undiscovered" tab for? And the "What's Hot" tab for? And the "Daily Deviations" too! Those are for undiscovered works mediated by admin staff!

YOU HAVE 3 OTHER TABS FOR THIS!

Seriously, leave the popular page alone! I use that tab to see the best of the best on deviantART, not another point giveaway journal or some crappy ass meme! That's what Tumblr is for.

And what is with the ugly-ass orange bouncy ball after my name? You'll be making it yellow and blue to match Pixar's next.

This site is really going to the dogs, it's no wonder you're going broke. Maybe you should tell spyed to stop spending all of your budget on crappy rebrands no one wanted or needed, or idiotic changes like this (and aforementioned bouncy ball) and actually just focus on saving the site from dying. You're losing a lot of your customer base just by consistently shoving things no one wants in our faces, and ostracising the people who have worked so hard to build their career with deviantART as an established and powerful tool in their marketing arsenal by suddenly rendering years worth of hard work null and void.

That's why the traffic to this site has stopped. Outside of this little bubble you've put around yourselves where you still kid yourselves you're #1, deviantART actually has a very bad reputation. You're known as the site that allows porn and art theft, that doesn't listen to the community, that hikes your prices up without a moment's notice or consultation, and that fires your staff without so much of a 'by your leave'. And now you're punishing your most cherished artists and users by deciding they're too popular for the popular front page.

Bravo guys, bravo.

Even Windows 10 received warmer responses to their updates than you have.
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Noctis-quarzt Featured By Owner Aug 3, 2015  Hobbyist General Artist
I would say something, but most people here have already said those things and have covered how this system is not fair for artist nor it works for what DA wishes to do or stands up to do. 
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teammagix Featured By Owner Aug 3, 2015  Hobbyist Digital Artist
This isn't right at all. An artist's work is popular because it's worth seeing and they have worked hard to be recognized. Wasn't there an undiscovered option for new and lesser know users? Why not use that instead of knocking off posts that are "too popular." When I go to the popular tab, I expect to see quality work, but what do I see now? I see low quality bases, random screenshots, small contests. Why are uploads with only 100 views and 3 likes ending up in the first row of the popular tab? Most of the time it's not even art, but a random text post or a selfie that looks like it should belong on Instagram? It doesn't make sense whatsoever and I wouldn't be surprised that all this feedback gets ignored. :/
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ZiddersRoofurry Featured By Owner Aug 3, 2015  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
I'm going to go against the herd and say that I'm all for popular artists moving on once they've soaked up time in the limelight. Give someone else a chance. You've built up a fanbase-utilize it. Get them to follow you on social media. Tell them to tell their friends. Get your own website. Once you've built a fanbase you should have to rely on your own ability to build your audience instead of pushing lesser known artists aside. 
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Nemo-TV-Champion Featured By Owner Aug 3, 2015  Student General Artist
You are the only person making any sense here.
Thank you so much.

It's called "fair exposure" for a reason ^^;
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ZiddersRoofurry Featured By Owner Aug 3, 2015  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
I don't think people understand that you're still only going to see a tiny percentage of users overall. They think all you're going to see is low quality stuff on the front page. Do you see the stuff that hits popular? The majority of it is either done by professionals or people who should be. You're still only going to see a small fraction of overall users. 
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Nemo-TV-Champion Featured By Owner Aug 4, 2015  Student General Artist
And you worded it exactly right.
But I guess some of these people are just whining because the popular users they watch aren't being shown as much so people who tbh need it more can get some exposure.
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:iconicedcoffeedragon:
There are other ways of promoting new artists, dA. You're completely defeating the point of the popular page which is by the way to promote well established and loved artists. Reevaluate your categories and criteria and try again. This is a failed attempted at what you call "fair exposure," which will end up being far from fair for those that have worked years to improve their craft and love what they do beyond measure.

Also, if this is the reason some of the most amazing people and talented artists I've met on dA are going to be required to pay twice the amount of the original premium membership fee, then screw you dA. Have your fair exposure when no one posts anything!!
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:iconmizamy:
MizAmy Featured By Owner Aug 3, 2015  Professional Digital Artist
Wtf da. Stop this.
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:iconyunalicia:
Yunalicia Featured By Owner Aug 3, 2015  Professional Artisan Crafter
The artists who are popular are popular for a reason. They spends hours upon hours editing, uploading, writing detailed explanations, interacting with fans, submitting to sometimes hundreds of groups all for the sake of exposure. They are putting their time in to market themselves to make themselves and their art seen. How is it fair to bury their work for being popular when they contribute so much time and content to dA? But someone who just doodles on lined paper, uploads it to their page and is new to the site deserves to be seen first? No. 
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DemonFoxProductions Featured By Owner Aug 3, 2015  Hobbyist Digital Artist
I completely understand the reasoning behind this:
however, I still don't think this is fair.

It is not fair for hard working popular artists to be pushed down 
the popularity list because they are "too popular."

Seriously, though...

If you want to see an example of fair exposure,
take a look at Picarto's explore page!!!

The popular streamers are still at the top!!
And the only factor determining that position is the amount
of people watching your streams at a time.


and with the random streamer segment of the front page,
even unpopular streamers gain exposure just like that!!
(as long as your stream isn't tagged as NSFW)


THAT'S what I call fair exposure.
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Daneon Featured By Owner Aug 3, 2015  Student Interface Designer
I do not think in the same way? We do not want you to select always Daily Deviation. I even do not see any Pony plush Daily Deviation. We just only want you to be fair. "Popular" or "not" people rely on these jobs and they need money. And it is so wrong that you block it. There is enough place for every publishment, please stop it and increase the views of the people that really deserves these! :disbelief: revamp - NaNoEmo 16/30 threaten revamp EQG Twilight Mad Plz 
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BlackHoleInAJar Featured By Owner Aug 3, 2015  Professional General Artist
So you're trying to bring new, less popular artists up for people to see, by holding back and burying those who's own merit and years of hard work has brought them up to the notoriety they have?
That is the opposite of fair exposure.  It is anything but fair to those who have worked so hard for years, trying to get to where they are now, only to have their hard work held back because all of a sudden, "they're too popular."

This is wrong, pure and simple.  They are popular for a reason.  They create what people want to see.  You are not doing anyone any sort of service by doing this, because what ends up coming into the front page instead is a ton of unimpressive selfies and women's genitals.
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almeidap Featured By Owner Aug 1, 2015  Hobbyist Artist
I don't like it.  I believe it's...and pardon the expression...'stupid'.  You don't go to look at "Most Popular" and not see them and see things that aren't popular.  How does an image with 4 views and 2 faves make the popular list and an image with 100 views and 20 faves not?  I browse at the popular, because those images are there for a reason, I look and learn...or I see something done uniquely enough that rates it being popular.  It's a bar that you want to reach because you did good work the "Browse more like" is where Fair exposure should be used at but not in the most popular category in the specific genre.
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adamlhumphreys Featured By Owner Aug 3, 2015  Professional General Artist
Not to even mention the actual "art" that is present we already have way too much of on this site. :iconimpatienttwilightplz:
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SoapBoxShouts Featured By Owner Jul 31, 2015  Student Filmographer
This isnt fair. This is dA being politically correct because they're too afraid to hurt the feelings of undiscovered artists. A lot of "popularity" has to do with MARKETING and whats NOT FAIR is expecting those who worked for their exposure to be pushed to the side for those who are "too shy". This is so wrong.
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Yunsildin Featured By Owner Jul 30, 2015  Professional General Artist
I thought the popular tab was for those who ARE popular.  The undiscovered tab is for those who make beautiful work and could use the recognition.  Your fairness is there in that undiscovered tab.  It's wrong to take the popular result from the artists that are popular that put a lot of hard work into their art.  I have found it annoying recently when my undiscovered results are looking the same as my popular results when I log in to check for new cool art daily.
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Pearl-Jamais Featured By Owner Jul 30, 2015  Student General Artist
But what about artist that are popular anyways? They still need face time too - even though they have large numbers of followers and pageviews there might not be people that have seen their work yet? Completely removing them off in order to be 'fair' isn't really fair at all . . . what would in fact perhaps be a little more fair is an up and coming section vs oldie but goodie type scenario. Where you have the little known but popular artists rising up and the artist we know and love show cased, even if they're in two different tabs. So then you wouldn't limit the exposure to either rising popular artists and already popular artists.
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CometStarfall Featured By Owner Jul 30, 2015
I understand what 'fair exposure' is trying to do, but it is failing to do it. Telling someone that they're art is 'too popular' to be featured is like going up to some buff guy at the gym and telling him to go home because out of shape people feel bad when they look at him. Can't there just be another page for upcoming popular artists instead of just turning all the big names away?
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CheezayBallz Featured By Owner Jul 31, 2015  Professional Digital Artist
^^^^^^^
this this this
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SoapBoxShouts Featured By Owner Jul 31, 2015  Student Filmographer
This.
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Ambercatlucky2 Featured By Owner Jul 30, 2015  Professional General Artist
Ah~ I think the fair exposure is a good idea, but don't forget to let those who are 'popular' been seen every once and a while, because they deserve exposure as well 
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Nazegoreng Featured By Owner Edited Jul 30, 2015  Professional Artisan Crafter
I think this is terrible :/. I have worked so very hard for years to get my work on the front page. My freelancing business depends on me getting new exposure to new viewers. If I spend a tonne of energy and effort on something, I want it to be seen! My efforts are just as valid as any other, I shouldn't be handycapped because of all the hard work I've put in to get followers. 

I was wondering why my work wasn't even appearing on the front page of artisan crafts, let alone da. 
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WhiteDove-Creations Featured By Owner Jul 30, 2015  Professional Artisan Crafter
I guess we don't need to make a living anymore because we are to popular
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Nazegoreng Featured By Owner Jul 30, 2015  Professional Artisan Crafter
This makes me really angry :/
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WhiteDove-Creations Featured By Owner Jul 30, 2015  Professional Artisan Crafter
me too. It is not right. 
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Daneon Featured By Owner Aug 3, 2015  Student Interface Designer
calm down we, your fans are here! If they do not we will ^-^! From tumblr, instagram, flicker, Facebook... from everywhere...
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WhiteDove-Creations Featured By Owner Aug 4, 2015  Professional Artisan Crafter
Thank you
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DinoGalaxy Featured By Owner Jul 30, 2015  Hobbyist Digital Artist
I'm just going to second all the hundreds of comments below that think this set up is the exact opposite of fairness...
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:icondordtchild:
DordtChild Featured By Owner Jul 29, 2015  Professional Digital Artist
You call this fair? Fair, as in removing people who have earned the right to appear on the front page because they have studiedly gained popularity over time. To say "you're too popular" for the popular front page, where does that make sense?

I'm an artist who has never seen the front page and I have 2,000 watchers and 300,000 page views and I find this unfair to deserving artists. Return the front page as it is or make a new tab for popular upcoming artists and leave the well knowns alone 
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WhiteDove-Creations Featured By Owner Jul 29, 2015  Professional Artisan Crafter
I have worked hard on my art for 3 three years, I have over 15,000 watchers and now you said my art has to be buried because of "fair exposure". How is that fair to me. Art is subjective, a handful of admin can not determine what I like to look at.  Popularity can only be determined by the raw numbers. 
If raw numbers puts me on the front page than that is what people want to see.  If you want to make a fair exposure tab for everyone else, that is the only way to be fair to me.  Otherwise I have no reason to stay on DA if my art is going to be buried.
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jjpeabody Featured By Owner Jul 28, 2015  Hobbyist Digital Artist
If you want "Fair Exposure" then create a Fair Exposure filter and return what's most popular back to most popular. 

It's not fair to ME when I submit a great painting that I've practice hard to achieve, obtain over 300 favorites and get ranked below someone that has only 6.

How is that fair?

How is that "still based on popularity"??
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ElenaDudina Featured By Owner Jul 24, 2015
"Fair exposure" fails to reward effort, study, improvement, dedication, loyalty dA, activity in the community. This new system gives away the "exposure" and reduces the overall quality. Do not talk about popularity, call it lottery.
The "exposure" is achieved with effort and is now frowned upon, even penalized.
Let the new generations follow the steps that veterans have traveled. Support them but not at the expense of others.
I hope you to return the traditional dA "exposure".


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aaro2011 Featured By Owner Jul 10, 2015
This algorithm should be called "Unfair Exposure" because certainly there's nothing fair about it. This algorithm screws up the whole idea behind browsing the "most popular" deviations. Please be smart (and fair) and fix this mess.
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LyhliTheLuminescent Featured By Owner Jul 9, 2015  Hobbyist General Artist
I understand the thought behind this concept, and I agree with your reasoning. I just don't agree with how it's being done. Let the popular artists stay popular, since they've earned it. They've spent a lot of time and dedication to their work, and many are paid for their passion because of their dedication. If now they are mingled with the "unpopular," it's likely their work and pay will fade away, along with their passion. Yes, I know what it's like to be an unpopular artist (I still am) and hope for some exposure, but this is being done in the wrong way. Those who are popular are popular for good reason, and they are likely the reason other users keep coming back to dA. Make them unknown and traffic here will slowly fade. 

Meanwhile, us unpopular artists have the Undiscovered page which is a great invention, but it should be given attention second to most popular. We who are unpopular also have "random deviant," "Newest," among other ways to be known. What do the popular artists have? "Most Popular" that is now no longer showing the most popular artwork?

If everyone's popular, no one is.
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Yneddt Featured By Owner Jun 27, 2015  Hobbyist Digital Artist
I understand the idea behind the system, but this just isn't working. The ordering of deviations in the "popular x hours" categories does not follow any ordering that any sane person could come up with as anything that would reasonably correspond to the word "popular". There is absolutely no perceivable logic to deviations with fewer views, favorites, and downloads ranking systematically (i.e. for extended periods of time) above deviations with more of these. If DeviantArt insists on having more randomness so as to increase visibility for certain artists that would otherwise not be seen, then just add randomness and stop calling the category "most popular". Or come up with a reasonable algorithm, that at least respects psychometric dominance relations (i.e., if a deviation has more of everything, it should rank above a deviation that has less of everything). This does not live up to the standard I have come to expect from this site.
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waywardgal Featured By Owner Jun 26, 2015  Student General Artist
I understand why you guys thought this was a good idea, however I do not believe that this system is fair. Now that undiscovered is here, use that for the unknown artist. You are punishing hardworking artist with that new system.
I do not find it fair that I worked extremely hard to gain watchers and people who like my art, but now because of this “fair” system, I’m not popular enough to override it, but I’m too popular to get a boost from the system. This leaves me unable to grow. After months of not being active on DA because of college, I’ve found it quite difficult to find new watchers since my old watchers have gotten used to my not posting. Now, when I upload something, even if I have 100 favorites in 1 hour, my art will appear on the 2nd page of its category while the first page is filled with things that have less than 30 favorites. I find this incredibly unfair. It takes away the ability of the artist to reach a new constituency and I find that highly unfair.
You’ve continued to give me the same answer each time. That is why I turned my ticket into a different section. I was tired of being handled by someone who was being condescending to my worries. The fair exposure system was introduced in 2013, and I never had those issues. This only began in the past few weeks. I would like it if you would actually look into why I’m getting shafted by the system.
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waywardgal Featured By Owner Jun 26, 2015  Student General Artist
've been having this issue for a while. Anytime I upload my drawings don't show up on the browsing page. I let the help desk know and the same guy keeps marking my tickets as solved and talking down to me. I just want to know why my pieces don't show up based on number of favorites anymore.
In this particular case, I'm showing up but my piece has been unfairly pushed down even though it's doing much better than the one that is placed in the first position. This does not happen to other deviants.

I'm starting to feel as though someone is trolling me on this website. Is this some kind of joke? This isn't fair.
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StarchehFelixx3 Featured By Owner May 17, 2013  Student Digital Artist
We get that they are trying to recognize unknown artists, But some people aren't even artists! Theres nothing to see on the Popular page which makes me have to log out, look at deviantations then log back in and find it. Its such an anoying processssss GAAAAAAAAAAH. Please return the old system.
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:iconwaywardgal:
waywardgal Featured By Owner Jun 26, 2015  Student General Artist
Seriously I totally agree
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shaman-art Featured By Owner Feb 12, 2013  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
I'm confused about the results of the search. Were there any changes made recently? Because I don't get the logic behind the results.

I was looking for "Popular All Time" deviations. A deviation from 2008 with Comments: 36 // Favourites: 382 // Views: 10,565 is ranked higher than for example one that was posted in 2010 with Comments: 309 // Favourites: 829 // Views: 12,121.

Why?

HelpDesk answer: "The main gallery of deviantART has for sometime now been showing you a special browsing mode. This new browsing feature is called "Fair Exposure"...

I asked again: "I'm sorry, but that doesn't answer my question. There have to be some changes within the last week. I noticed it - and others did too. You might have a look at the forum. There's a thread about this subject.
I noticed it, because several of my deviations and some of my friend's were listed on the first result page. From one day to the next, some have vanished completely while others dropped down at least 10 or more places. We did not have any sudden activities. Neither of us got suddenly lots of comments or favs. We always used the same keywords for the search.

And again: How can a deviation that got more comments and more favs and more views be more popular than one that's two years older with less comments+favs+views? I point back to my original question. I you think it helps I can send you a screenshot of the old resultes compared to the ones I get now.
Also the results of the search jumped back between the old and the new constellation several times in the last few days. That means to me that there either is a bug somewhere or something was changed."

Help Desk: "Fair exposure is constantly evolving dependant on popular deviations. I assure you nothing has 'changed' in the way this works it is just making way for other deviations to be considered as popular. "


Sorry guys. This is stupid. You either have no idea what you're talking about or you think a lot of users here are blind or stupid.
When I read the comments here, a lot of people are everything but satisfied!
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waywardgal Featured By Owner Jun 26, 2015  Student General Artist
They are actually ignoring us. They want to appeal to the new people and are telling their old users they don't matter even though we've stuck through all their nonsense.
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